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first up tragedy in the nfl after kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered his girlfriend before shooting and killing himself. as a result, the gun control debate back in the spotlight but with more gun regulation actually have made any difference at all? here now is deputy editor of think progress.org and nationally syndicated radio talk show host. lars i'm a second amendment guy. to me guns don't kill people crazy people shooting guns kill people. would a gun regulation have stopped this tragedy? >> only one kind of gun regulation would have stopped this and that would be to gut the second amendment and i don't think igor can reject that. 20,000 laws around the country regulate guns at the state, federal and local level. those laws sometimes are forced a and sometimes not. this young man there was no reason legally to deny him the ownership of a firearm. so the suggestion by bob costas who ought to be fired for the comments, his outrageous suggestion that the civil rights of americans all 300 million of us should be taken away and we should be denied the right to own a g
first up tragedy in the nfl after kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered his girlfriend before shooting and killing himself. as a result, the gun control debate back in the spotlight but with more gun regulation actually have made any difference at all? here now is deputy editor of think progress.org and nationally syndicated radio talk show host. lars i'm a second amendment guy. to me guns don't kill people crazy people shooting guns kill people. would a gun regulation have...
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their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day. the football business was hoping that tv football commentators would ignore the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend. but bob costas could not. >> in the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in kansas city, the mindless sports cliches was heard yet again. something like this really puts it all in perspective. well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective that we regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. please, those who need tragedies t
their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day....
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in the coming days, belcher's action and the connection to football will be analyzed. who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe. if belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to federal election records from open secrets.org and found 96% of donations from ivy league faculty and staff went to president obama. congress approval rating has been dreadful but scores low marks on ethics and honesty also. new gallop poll finds members of congress come in second to last among professions beating only car salespeople. car salesman took to twitter today to express displeasure with the poll. 10% said they would give congress a high to very high rating. 34% said average. 54% said very low to low. finally when researching the internet be careful when citing wikipedia. judge in
in the coming days, belcher's action and the connection to football will be analyzed. who knows, but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe. if belcher didn't process a gun, he and perkins would be alive today. >> bret: news busters said costas entitled to his opinion but does he have to give it during halftime of a nationally televised game? critics who say political bias turns up in college classrooms have a big number to back up the case. the web site campus reform looked to...
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who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have got to get some place why violence and gun violence is not a solution for all of our issues and conflicts. i do think, you know, there is something wrong when we had over a million people killed in our country since bobby kennedy and dr. king were assassinated by guns in 1968, you know, i think we need to have tougher gun laws. i do think, you know there needs to be better security for the athletes. i've counseled a number of athletes who i cannot name, but said the reason why they carry guns is because they fear for their own safety. >> the athletes themselves. >> yeah, but the problem is when they turn around
who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have...
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the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents watch new 3-month-old. do we know any more about why, what was going on behind the scene? >> there's been some talk about some troubles in the relationship between jovan belcher and his girlfriend okay sandra p -- okcassandra perkins. >> there were talks about whether the chiefs would go ahead with the game. for the coach and for the team, everybody is still scratching their heads because the coach witnessing jovan belcher taking his own life. >> imagine the situation. a day before a game, general manager of the team, coach and assistant coach were trying to talk to belcher, trying to talk him out of what he was about to d
the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents watch new...
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kansas city chiefs linebacker belcher kills his girlfriend and then himself. now, the liberal media going after guns. >> handguns do not enhance our safety, they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and embrace us to have confrontations other than go away from it. if belcher did not pose us of god, he and his girlfriend would still be alive today. stuart: no gun, no crime, no death. >> if you look at statistics, it is just that available a accurate. where the police can't or will not get there in time to protect you. their job is to investigate crimes. they are not guarantee of our safety. the supreme court has ruled definitively in the last six years that the right is a personal right that the government cannot interfere with. bob costas for all of his knowledge of sports, they have no basis to say that these people would still be alive if the person who pulled the trigger was not able to get a gun. we all use steak knives to help us enjoy our meals, but they can also be dangerous weapons. they are far more easily attainable than guns. stuart:
kansas city chiefs linebacker belcher kills his girlfriend and then himself. now, the liberal media going after guns. >> handguns do not enhance our safety, they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and embrace us to have confrontations other than go away from it. if belcher did not pose us of god, he and his girlfriend would still be alive today. stuart: no gun, no crime, no death. >> if you look at statistics, it is just that available a accurate. where the police...
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. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used by belcher was purchased legally. belcher's mother has been given temporary custody of the couple's daughter, zoe. >> a picture of suspect george zimmerman released by his attorney reportedly taken by a police officer the night zimmerman shot and killed martin. the bloody picture itself is not new, but the fact it's a high resolution color photo is. zimmerman's attorney says it gives the case more context. >> is it devastating? no. but it's just one piece of evidence that shows what george was going through that night and why he re
. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life...
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if jo vai belcher did not possea hand gun, he and ca sa cassandrr perkins would both be alive today. >> sean: many reports are emerging that the nfl player was suffering from repeated head injuries as well as painkiller addiction all of which would make costas' comments sound more premature, absurd, and opportunistic. here with reaction is eric rush, leo terrell. leo. sosomebody is hell bent on killg season. you're friends with o.j. simpson. he was found liable in the civil case. there was no gun used. somebody's hell bent on killing somebody, leo, they don't need a gun to do it. they can figure out a whole host of ways to kill somebody. >> i anticipate you'll use the simpson case. shame on you. first of all, bob costas is an award winning journalism. he doesn't need any type of platform. he has credibility. he gave social commentary. >> you don't need a gun to kill somebody. >> you know what? gun control is an issue where guns are in the hands of people in the urban community and guns -- soi-- >> sean: was nicole brown simpson killed with a gun or a knife? >> this is a commentary of
if jo vai belcher did not possea hand gun, he and ca sa cassandrr perkins would both be alive today. >> sean: many reports are emerging that the nfl player was suffering from repeated head injuries as well as painkiller addiction all of which would make costas' comments sound more premature, absurd, and opportunistic. here with reaction is eric rush, leo terrell. leo. sosomebody is hell bent on killg season. you're friends with o.j. simpson. he was found liable in the civil case. there...
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bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. don't start enbrel if you h
bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for...
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most of the of the talk about with jovan belcher. just a personal crack-up? or is there something bigger here? >> well, it's the sort of -- first of all, the biggest crack-up in my opinion was with the national football lealing for allowing them to play this game. >> playing anyway? >> it shouldn't have happened if you look at the timeline by 8:00 a.m., johan belcher kills the mother of his child. by 10:00 a.m. he kills himself flovrpt his head coach scottie pioli and his defensive coordinator. by 10:00 a.m., the n.f.l. is telling the panthers to make the trip to kansas city. by 3:00 p.m., there is a hastily worded releases that say no, the decision was actually by the kansas city chiefs and head coach rom yes purnell and it's best for the team for the healing processes to go ball and play. now, en if you do believe that -- and frank, i don't. but even if you do believe that that it was the decision of the chiefs and their captains why is that even their decision to make? this seems like more an issue for mental health professionals than anymore. jaf javon be
most of the of the talk about with jovan belcher. just a personal crack-up? or is there something bigger here? >> well, it's the sort of -- first of all, the biggest crack-up in my opinion was with the national football lealing for allowing them to play this game. >> playing anyway? >> it shouldn't have happened if you look at the timeline by 8:00 a.m., johan belcher kills the mother of his child. by 10:00 a.m. he kills himself flovrpt his head coach scottie pioli and his...
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mean tile, several chiefs play ears tend a memorial service for belcher yesterday. he killed his girlfriend at the house they shared on saturday before turning the gun on himself and committing suicide. but his little daughter will receive at least $1 million from the nfl as she grows up. $9,000 per month for the next four years. and then $4,000 per month from age 4 until she turns 18 or if she does go to college. >> 23 goes to college. so incentive to stay in school. covered by the league's health care plan for the next, five years. as well. so the team was represented at, his funeral service, yesterday. and will also have team representation at his girlfriend's service, in a few days. so it is still a tragic situation at least you know the little girl the real victim in all of this will be taken care of by the league. >> as will beneficiaries receive $1.2 million. not stating who the beneficiaries are at the moment though. trajic though. >>> in other news this morning. major developments in the fight against breast cancer. a new study find a popular cancer fightin
mean tile, several chiefs play ears tend a memorial service for belcher yesterday. he killed his girlfriend at the house they shared on saturday before turning the gun on himself and committing suicide. but his little daughter will receive at least $1 million from the nfl as she grows up. $9,000 per month for the next four years. and then $4,000 per month from age 4 until she turns 18 or if she does go to college. >> 23 goes to college. so incentive to stay in school. covered by the...
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but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the face, resulting in a bullet through the heart. it results in a double-murder in this case, a murder/suicide. guns don't protect. they cause suicide. >> let me bring in -- >> they cause suicide? >> i can promise, i'll get back to you, carol. here is what they say to me. i've had it all. but trying to get a debate going. i've been on two years on cnn. in that time, there's been a series of gun rages. each time it is the same debate and nothing gets done about it. 300 million guns and you have between 11,000 and 12,000 guns and murders a year. by comparison, britain has 35 as does germany and aust
but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the...
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didn't have a fun -- if belcher didn't have a gun, he and his girlfriend wouldn't have died. what do you make of this, mark? >> if you say you're no longer a functioning fully formed individual citizen capable of making his own choices about healthcare, the next step from that is to say well, if you pump 9 bullets into your wife, you're not really responsible for that. we need to change the laws. we need to eliminate the 2nd amendment. because one guy puts nine bullets into his wife, we need to change the laws for 300 million people. he did this. there's is a lack of -- the great issue, not just in the united states, but in the western world, is the urge to dodge personal responsibility. this guy is the beneficiary of one of the wealthiest most successful societies on earth. you should be responsible for your healthcare, and you should also be responsible if you go bananas and kill your wife, that's on your shoulders too. stuart: but you can't win an election telling the world, telling your country, your voters that you've got to be responsible for yourself, for your healthca
didn't have a fun -- if belcher didn't have a gun, he and his girlfriend wouldn't have died. what do you make of this, mark? >> if you say you're no longer a functioning fully formed individual citizen capable of making his own choices about healthcare, the next step from that is to say well, if you pump 9 bullets into your wife, you're not really responsible for that. we need to change the laws. we need to eliminate the 2nd amendment. because one guy puts nine bullets into his wife, we...
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nbc news at this point can't confirm that belcher is the player involved. he allegedly killed his 22-year-old girlfriend at the house they shared with their 3-month-old daughter follow that horrible scene, a short time later, he reportedly committed suicide in a parking lot near the kansas city chiefs arrowhead stadium. a developing story we continue to follow here at msnbc. >>> some other stories making news right now. two people are dead after a tour bus crashed into an overpass at miami international airport. three others taken to a hospital. they are in critical condition. the driver was not familiar with the area. >>> former president george h.w. bush remains in stable condition at a houston hospital. the 88-year-old is being treated for a lingering cough-related bronchitis. the 41st president has been in and out of the hospital recently from complications resulting from bronchitis. >>> and still no word on who bought the second winning powerball ticket in arizona, although a lot of attention is being paid to this guy. he was in a maryland convenience
nbc news at this point can't confirm that belcher is the player involved. he allegedly killed his 22-year-old girlfriend at the house they shared with their 3-month-old daughter follow that horrible scene, a short time later, he reportedly committed suicide in a parking lot near the kansas city chiefs arrowhead stadium. a developing story we continue to follow here at msnbc. >>> some other stories making news right now. two people are dead after a tour bus crashed into an overpass at...
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the kansas chiefs, their linebacker, belcher, 30 miles from here, he wasn't backing down from his remarks last night with bill o'reilly. listen. >> people ought to be aware of the attitude toward guns that's out there. >> way too lax. >> it's up among professional athletes. i cannot think of a single instance involving the professional athlete whereby that athlete having a gun averted or diminishing a dangerous situation. but i can give you a long list of tragedies that came about because guys were packing. >> brian: bob costas defended himself, but did say that wasn't the right for yum to bring it up. he needed more time. if you're on the kansas city chiefs and struggling through a horrific season on the field, how do you get past this tragedy? let's talk to a guy who is the ultimate leader as he led the pittsburgh steelers to the super bowl championship, outstanding runningback for the rams when they're in los angeles and with pittsburgh and a fighting irish superstar, jerome bettis, welcome back. >> thank you. >> brian: tragedy hits so many teams through the nfl. seems to hit somebody
the kansas chiefs, their linebacker, belcher, 30 miles from here, he wasn't backing down from his remarks last night with bill o'reilly. listen. >> people ought to be aware of the attitude toward guns that's out there. >> way too lax. >> it's up among professional athletes. i cannot think of a single instance involving the professional athlete whereby that athlete having a gun averted or diminishing a dangerous situation. but i can give you a long list of tragedies that came...
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same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much powerful. clearly the most powerful lobbying. >> with the republican party. >> bill: they own the republican party. 1-866-55-press. covering the waterfront here with think progress and igor volsky here on the "full court press" this morning. join the conversation at -- commenting on anything we've been talking about at 1-866-55-press. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the d
same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much...
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. >> brian: disturbing new details more thanking in the murder-suicide involving jovan belcher. police say belcher actually kissed the forehead of cassandra perkins after shooting her nine times and apologized to his mother when was in the room for carrying out the horrific crime. and that's the latest on that story. >>> let's move on to something else. he's the head of the class of this year. 23-year-old rory mcilroy named player of the year in 2012. he had four wins including the pga championship. he's the youngest winner since tiger woods did it in 1997. >> steve: it's a custody battle that's going to make your blood boil. a good father and u.s. soldier loses his little girl to an estranged wife with a rap sheet. can he make a case to get her back? heather joins us here on the curvy couch with a little discussion about what's going on. >> good morning to you. this is going before the u.s. supreme court later today to hear oral arguments. the outcome of this is likely to set precedent over basically how u.s. courts handle jurisdiction over u.s. american citizens who have a chi
. >> brian: disturbing new details more thanking in the murder-suicide involving jovan belcher. police say belcher actually kissed the forehead of cassandra perkins after shooting her nine times and apologized to his mother when was in the room for carrying out the horrific crime. and that's the latest on that story. >>> let's move on to something else. he's the head of the class of this year. 23-year-old rory mcilroy named player of the year in 2012. he had four wins including...
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jovan belcher shot his girlfriend and then drove to arrow said stadium where he shot himself a. three-month-old girl no has neither father nor a mother. martha: terrible story here is another one that is getting a lot of attention this morning. new developments in the case of this missing 11-year-old girl. she is alou keeshe alou keep yeah patient known only to the rest of the country as emily right now. her father says her mother took her out of that facility in arizona, you can see this video of her leaving with her mom. they said they removed her from there because she was suffering, that they felt that she was not getting the care that she needed, and that she is safe, the family says, she is now being treated for her condition in mexico, according to them, but the phoenix police say that doctors were forced to calm pew tate emily's arm in a prior procedure because of an inspection she got from her chemotherapy. now they are very concerned she could get another infection because of this catheter installed in her heart which was not removed proper plea because of the manner i
jovan belcher shot his girlfriend and then drove to arrow said stadium where he shot himself a. three-month-old girl no has neither father nor a mother. martha: terrible story here is another one that is getting a lot of attention this morning. new developments in the case of this missing 11-year-old girl. she is alou keeshe alou keep yeah patient known only to the rest of the country as emily right now. her father says her mother took her out of that facility in arizona, you can see this video...
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. >>> a shocking murder-suicide at the hands of jovan belcher is the latest in the string of bad publicity for the nfl. and perhaps a sign of the side effects the game can have. commissioner roger goodell opens up about some of the ways he hopes to reform the sports so it takes less of the toll on the athletes. . among the ideas, doing away with kickoffs which are seen to be one of the most dangerous elements of the game. it it has fans and professionals alike wondering what's in store for the future of football? so joining me now from atlanta is chris draft, founder of the chris draft family foundation. very nice to have you with us this morning. thank you. >> it's great to be here. >> so we know that roger goodell floated this idea when he was meeting with a "times" reporter but it first game with greg shia ya know. a team would get the ball on its own 30 yard line where it's fourth and 15. the options is to go for it or punt. what do you think of this idea and do you think the nfl will potentially eliminate kickoffs for good? >> i don't see them getting rid of kickoffs for good, but wha
. >>> a shocking murder-suicide at the hands of jovan belcher is the latest in the string of bad publicity for the nfl. and perhaps a sign of the side effects the game can have. commissioner roger goodell opens up about some of the ways he hopes to reform the sports so it takes less of the toll on the athletes. . among the ideas, doing away with kickoffs which are seen to be one of the most dangerous elements of the game. it it has fans and professionals alike wondering what's in store...
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it's pegged, of course, to the tragic circumstance of the belcher murder/suicide which commissioner goodell talked to us about. but the larger issue is when football is at an all-time high of popularity, by far america's most favorite sport, there are things that are threatening it. you know, the head injuries that lead to concussions, that lead to brain damage. the fact that young boys are playing competitive football less than they used to. the game is incredibly successful, yet goodell has great challenges. and i would say that he has been very forthright and a stand-up guy in confronting these issues in a way that the nfl hasn't before. >> you know, things are getting so much more dangerous in the nfl. jim miklaszewski was talking about how he was -- used to be a reporter down in dallas. and one day he was out with the cowboys. and he saw tom landry out on the field. you know, the players were getting bigger, running faster, hitting harder. and tom landry said, this isn't the game that i started coaching. it's getting too dangerous. somebody's going to get killed. and it has gotten so m
it's pegged, of course, to the tragic circumstance of the belcher murder/suicide which commissioner goodell talked to us about. but the larger issue is when football is at an all-time high of popularity, by far america's most favorite sport, there are things that are threatening it. you know, the head injuries that lead to concussions, that lead to brain damage. the fact that young boys are playing competitive football less than they used to. the game is incredibly successful, yet goodell has...